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Wednesday, September 27, 2006

The Trinity Refuted

By quoting just a few scriptures, the teaching of the trinity can easily be disproved. I will quote five passages, and, if at all necessary, write a short comment to each. We should accept the simple words of scripture, instead of philosophizing around them. I am quoting from the Concordant Literal New Testament. 

John 5:36-38 
Jesus speaks out: "Now I have a testimony greater than John's. For the works which the Father has given Me that I should be perfecting them, the works themselves which I am doing are testifying concerning Me that the Father has commissioned Me. And the Father Who sends Me, He has testified concerning Me. Neither have you ever heard His voice nor a perception of Him have you seen. And His word you do not have remaining in you, for that One Whom He commissions, this One you are not believing." 

God, the Father, commissioned the Son. God the commissioner, Christ the one commissioned. 

1Corinthians 8:4-6
Then, concerning the feeding on the idol sacrifices: We are aware that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God except One. For even if so be that there are those being termed gods, whether in heaven or on earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for us there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for (lit. into) Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him. But not in all is there this knowledge. 

God the source, Christ the means. 

Philipians 2:5-11
For let this disposition be in you, which is in Christ Jesus also, Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with Godnevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity, and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 
Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every namethat in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father.

Supposing the trinity was true, how could Christ be inherently in the form of Himself, or equal with Himself, or how could He exalt Himself, or grace Himself with the name above all names? 

Colossians 1:15 
(Christ), Who is the Image of the invisible God, 

How in the world can we read this to mean that Jesus Christ, the Lord, and God, the Father, are the same "person"? Tell me! Anyone? God, the divinity, is invisible, and Jesus Christ is the perfect image or display of that being, out of Whom all is. 

1Timothy 2:5-7
... there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a Man (lit. human), Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (mankind, cp. 2:4) (the testimony in its own eras), for which I was appointed a herald and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying, a teacher of the nations in knowledge and truth. 

One God and one Mediator of God and mankind. Two, not one. Jesus Christ is the mediator of mankind. He is a species by himself. Not mankind, nor God, the Father, but right in between the two. He is the perfect, flawless mediator, in Whom we can see the Father in a form that we can understand and perceive. 

Now, we may wonder, what about the holy spirit? The Trinity says it is a separate "person" in the Godhead. These are unscriptural terms, first of all, and should be discarded immediately, for they don't help to come closer to God, but rather distract us from Him. Second of all, we need to face the fact that God is spirit (John 4:24). If we are aware of this and then read Luke 1:35 we see that holy spirit and God is the same. 

And answering, the messenger said to her, "Holy spirit shall be coming on you, and the power of the Most High shall be overshadowing you: wherefore also the holy One Who is being generated shall be called the Son of God." 

The messenger that speaks to Miriam, the mother of Christ, doesn't say that the holy spirit comes on her, but holy spirit, without the article. Note the parallelism of Holy spirit and power of the Most High. This verse proves that spirit is the means by which God generates, how He effects things in this world. Spirit is an element, a force or power, not a "person". Also, if God and holy spirit were not the same, how could Jesus Christ be called the Son of God? Is Jesus Christ called the Son of the Holy Spirit anywhere in the scriptures? 

5 comments:

Unknown said...

Jonas,

I appreciated how you presented the truth plainly. I am a Christian, but I do not believe in the mainstream tradition of the Trinity. It is indeed an unscriptural tradition of man and unnecessary complication of truth as opposed to a teaching from the Bible.

Thanks,
Jay

Archangelati777 said...

Actually, there is considerably MORE proof that advocates the Trinity:

God is ONE:
Mark 12:29
James 2:19
Isaiah 45:22

Jesus is God:
John 10:30
Hebrews 1:8 (pay attention to who is speaking to who)
1 Timothy 3:16

The Father is God:
John 8:41
Ephesians 4:6

The Holy Spirit is God:
Acts 5:3-4
Acts 28:25-26 referring to Isaiah 6:9-10
1 Corinthians 3:16

Please look up all of these verses and then you will see the truth.
God bless.

Unknown said...

The Holy Spirit through out the Bible is said to be Gods Spirit. Never once is he mentioned as separate person. When did Jesus ever say that He, The Father, and The Holy Spirit are one, never. This is Roman Catholic heresy. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God not a separate entity.

Archangelati777 said...

+JMJ+
"Roman Catholic heresy"...
Interesting term given that all "churches" or denominations of Christianity are inherently heretical and that the Catholic Church is the only Church actually founded by Christ Himself...
Did you even bother looking at the verses I listed?
Acts 5:3-4
Acts 28:25-26 referring to Isaiah 6:9-10
1 Corinthians 3:16
+AMDG+

austux said...

[ the Catholic Church is the only Church actually founded by Christ Himself ]

No, it was founded as the Roman state (empire) religion by Constantine soon after 300AD and centred on Persian Mithraism with just about everything else he could reach strapped on (for one example, the Order of the Vestal Virgins is still current, worshippers of Vesta).

It is radically different to the worship structures laid out in the written word, and in fact the power structure which resulted has several times made possession of even parts of the written word a capital offence.

Christ is the *only* person stated to share the eternal throne with YHVH.